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Since a lot of my Internet-linked friends and acquaintances are either liberals, libertarians, or leftists I have heard a lot lately about leaving the U.S. because of disgust with or fear of the current government and their policies.

Let's talk sense about this.

  1. You can't just "move to Canada" or Sweden or France or the U.K. or anywhere, really. Unless you're independently wealthy and/or retired it just doesn't work that way. You have to go through an immigration process and it's long and painful. It can easily take years for even an experienced professional with a job offer to get through the thicket of bureaucracy that any well-run country erects for immigrants.

  2. You can't run from Imperial America. Canada is an especially laughable choice here; when we sneeze, they get a cold. The long arm of U.S. power extends to every place in the world, certainly to every place you could stand living. Go up there and watch things get worse here if you want. At some point an apologetic Mountie will arrive to explain that you're being deported back because of a joint security agreement.

  3. Foreign countries, surprisingly, are different. The peculiar luxuries, freedoms, and opportunities of our country will not be present there. Things cost a lot more, the weather is different, and the justice system may shock you. If you're not already an experienced traveler who enjoys surprises and strangeness, it's entirely possible you'll hate everywhere but home.

  4. Cowardice is not rewarded, either in respect or in results. Stay and fight for what you believe. Whether you are a libertarian who despises Ashcroft's new police state, a liberal who rejects warmongering and theocracy, or a core leftist despairing at corporate America, there is work to be done here. Defeatism is a self-fulfilling apocalypse.


In sum, don't leave unless you have another good reason to do so and a plan for achieving it. The wealth and privilege and freedoms you have as your birthright carry with them the obligation to serve your country in its time of need. Be a citizen first for a change. If you leave here, your new home will demand no less of you.

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stimps.livejournal.com
Having family in Canada who can support you makes all the difference in the world. If I had 100 000, I could basically say "this guy is my fiance, we're getting married on x date, and I can support him until he gets his papers", it would take no time at all. You need either relatives or cash, or a very very highly sought after job skillset.

As far as the other person saying that McGill will go to bat for whoever... well, that's fine, and that's what they say now. Unfortunately McGill is an institution that relies on government funding as much as any educational institution. They have to balance the needs of their students and employees with the requirements of the government, and they're going to pick on the government's side if anything about someone's case looks difficult. I would (personally) rather be more pessimistic about how long things would take than optimistic, so as not to delude myself. A pleasant surprise if it works out faster, though. =)

It took fimm's papers 2 years to come through, that's largely because he had no relatives here and not a large amount of cash. Fortunately he's a geek. =)

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strychnyn.livejournal.com
see, that's what i've always heard too... though i have a small handful of friends who came up here with no family, no large amounts of cash, and no special skills (that i know of), and they seemed to get through the process pretty quick. then again those i know that married or have fancy schmancy jobs did make it through quicker. dunno, maybe it's just a fluke, or it just depends on who happens to get your paperwork on their desk?

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stimps.livejournal.com
Yeah, could be, or could be that they just needed a work permit (which isn't very hard) vs. full blown permanent resident status. I know a lot is definitely based on who you end up talking to, just like at customs. These guys seem to have a lot of bad days...

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fimmtiu.livejournal.com
The CIC is quite inscrutable. All I know is that it was a long and aggravating process in my case, and the cases of a couple friends who were immigrating and/or studying in the country. The best thing to do, I'd say, is to plan for the worst case scenario. It's nice if you get in quickly, but you can't count on it.

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strychnyn.livejournal.com
yup, lord knows that's what i did... i fully expected it to take forever, and i about got whiplash from the double-take i did when i got my papers. but i guess having family ('specially in the military) greases the wheels a bit.

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fimmtiu.livejournal.com
Actually, I did have a pretty significant amount of cash at the time. I think that might have played a rather large role, frankly. Less so now after a few years of college and economic recession, of course...

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stimps.livejournal.com
Yeah, but not in the six-figure range. =) That's the minimum they get worked up about, I think. ;)

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