Hardcore 81 Black Flag

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Hardcore 81 Black Flag, originally uploaded by bev. davies.

Further proof that punks didn't look like punks when there was punk.

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Before punk was, I AM

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TG and Pere Ubu and Roxy Music and the Cure and Boyd Rice and Frank Tovey and a few others all win the award for being totally insane and boundary-eating before anything you could call punk. I'm not sure what to call that subgenre except "amazing."

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Roxy Music? Well, maybe back when Eno was with them.

The Cure wasn't before punk! I mean, they were after the Sex Pistols, right?

I guess you could call Iggy & the Stooges punk (ps the Ramones are fucking gay): then again, what's the dividing line between "punk" and "drugged-out loser who's out for pathetic attention"? I'd definitely put GG Allin in that "loser" category, and not in punk, because I'd assume it's not punk to actually destroy your whole life and be an idiot.

Boyd Rice, I've heard hardly anything by him, but his first 2 interviews on the Bob Larson show are classic.

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Boyd Rice pretty much invented industrial music with a group called "NON."

The Cure dates into the 70s. The first version of them that was actually called the Cure was in January '77.

I'm not quite sure how you're defining "punk," and as a movement it was anti-definition in most ways, so.

The line from 70s rock to punk goes through David Bowie into Roxy Music and Iggy, for sure. It's yet another thing to thank Mr. B for.