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substitute ([personal profile] substitute) wrote2005-11-21 03:21 pm
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Mr. T. Versus Roomba

Wow, Kurt Vonnegut has become a complete asshole instead of just an overrated writer.

In other news emacs is a Jewish plot.

There's also a problem with Brent Spiner (mp3 with an html mime type, kind of a pain).

[identity profile] so-gracefully.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
i think that vonnegut article was written in an EXTREMELY biased voice, which is really disappointing. i think he's just at a very extreme point of cultural relativism, one that maybe not everyone can approve of. i don't think he was saying at any point, "suicide bombing is okay" or "hooray suicide bombers", but he was saying that there IS a reason that these people do what they do, and that everything has more than one side to it.

[identity profile] substitute.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
In the actual interview, Vonnegut says in his discussion of the suicide bombers that it is "sweet and honorable to die" for something one believes in. The odd part is that he's quoting Horace's "dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" there.

Which, as a literary man, he must be aware has been totally answered, fully and finally, by Wilfred Owen:

http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Dulce.html

The interviewer is indeed hostile, but unless Vonnegut has a good refutation of it, he seems to be in Horace's camp. I'm with Owen.

full interview:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17256664%255E16947,00.html

[identity profile] so-gracefully.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
yes, i realize you already have your mind made up about it.

[identity profile] substitute.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
As do you.

[identity profile] springheel-jack.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if there's some mistake - this doesn't jibe with other things he has said. So either he's senile or grotesquely misquoted or they didn't realize he was being sarcastic.

[identity profile] substitute.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. The differential diagnosis is between senile, misquoted, drunk, insane, or so egotistical and tapped-out that the attention is all that matters.

But that Horace quote, that quote. Damn.

[identity profile] fimmtiu.livejournal.com 2005-11-22 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The funny thing is that Horace was himself a wuss who dropped his shield and fled for his life the first time he saw a serious battle, at Philippi. Ah, irony.